Board Thread:Wiki Running/@comment-27028390-20150130231609/@comment-23865306-20150131115446

Imamadmad wrote:

Storm2 wrote: If some trolls on here like spamming rubbish on chat, when that is removed they'll more than likely spam somewhere else on the wiki: forums, articles, walls etc.

So removing the chat simply moves all its arguments/spam/profanity elsewhere. While it's a valid point that these users will just spam elsewhere, it will be easier to catch and remove these spammers in a non-chat environment where comments are retained as evidence against them, validating a ban. Spammers on chart are still spammers, but we can get rid of them easier if there's no chat because with proof there are more consequences to people's actions.

Anyway, this change isn't aimed at stopping spammers but rather at holding regular users accountable for what they say, keeping their own tempers cooler and preventing arguments based on events which we have no evidence of to establish the facts. It also slows people's responses to help keep emotions calm, which in turn helps prevent arguments, and allows people to edit any mistakes caused by typos or autocorrection to prevent misunderstandings. Also, all the other added benefits of conversations which stick around such as people not all having to be online at once to talk, and being able to keep different conversations separate for ease, and you don't have nearly as many bugs in the code. One thing I was thinking about is that usually when spammers/vandals/whatevers come onto chat, there's already at least 4 or 5 chat mods/rollbacks/admins in the chatroom already. The main problem I have is that I don't know how to ban for the right amount of time, but that won't matter since I can't do anything on the wiki except rollback (with admin power, that is).